tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9003076573972458673.post5042860270552025660..comments2024-03-28T10:02:12.828+05:30Comments on Catalign Innovation Consulting: What if implicit order is more fundamental than explicit order?Vinay Dabholkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02007011866370283276noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9003076573972458673.post-12701006228910565172017-04-23T18:08:32.543+05:302017-04-23T18:08:32.543+05:30Dear Malpi,
Really appreciate you reading this bl...Dear Malpi,<br /><br />Really appreciate you reading this blog. You have summarized your understanding very nicely. <br /><br />Indeed, the cause-and-effect thinking that has been at the heart of scientific temper has been very helpful to us. In particular, it has helped us in predicting the movement in the material-world. It is a case where focus on explicit order alone has been sufficient for all practical purposes. Unfortunately, cause and effect thinking doesn’t extend very well in predicting the movement of thought which, in turn, creates intentions resulting in actions. However, we have a tendency to extend cause and effect thinking to thought-world as well. E.g. “My boss always does that to me” etc. This is a mistake. In reality, the meaning of boss’ actions is stored in my long term memory as an implicit order and it unfolds as a blame-thought in my mind in the explicit order. <br /><br />One question you have asked is: How to recognize the limits of explicit order? I feel one way to acknowledge the limits of explicit order is by treating our beliefs as assumptions (or “hypothesis” in scientific terms). Any time we get a result which doesn’t match our expectation it is an opportunity to check if the assumption behind the expectation could be incorrect or perhaps too rigid. So, we are not rejecting the explicit order. We are treating it as tentative – all the time. So going back to the boss example, I might interpret boss’ action as follows: Under certain situations boss has a tendency to react this way and it has come out from implicit order. Unless the meaning of the situation changes for him, he would continue to react this way. One could, of course, try to discuss this with boss. And it might bring about a change of meaning for him or it might not. Alternately, it might bring about a change of meaning for me and I may not hold a grudge against him anymore. <br /><br />Now, implicit order by definition is undefinable and immeasurable. We could, of course, try to know more about the implicit order. However, no matter how much we know, it will always be incomplete. So in the thought-world, which is manifested in the form of our interactions with people, it might not help much by insisting my meaning of the world (i.e. my knowledge) is more accurate. It may be more helpful to see if there is a common ground or at least acknowledge that the other person’s meaning is coming from an implicit order and for the moment rigid. He can’t help it. That is where compassion comes from.<br /><br />Hope this was helpful. <br /><br />Regards,<br />VinayVinay Dabholkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02007011866370283276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9003076573972458673.post-32892434632059809262017-04-23T11:00:52.724+05:302017-04-23T11:00:52.724+05:30Dear Vinay,
As usual very interesting topic and g...Dear Vinay,<br /><br />As usual very interesting topic and great treatment.<br /><br />While reading this article, I kept thinking if this is usual science bashing article that generally focuses on science doesn't know everything. But never gets acknowledged that it knows somethings, if not everything.<br /><br />But I completed reading the article and your reply to uncle's question, it became clear to me that it is about keeping in mind that we don't know everything. While what we know, helps us make decisions, it also makes us rigid in our opinions. We try to reduce everything to explicit order, if we can't do it, we call it random/outlier/undesirable etc. If we keep open mind to implicit order (your random number example is case in point), we will be at ease with everything around us and not get bounded by explicit orders.<br /><br />Question is how to recognize limits of explicit order. Or we reject explicit order completely because it is a partial knowledge. There are dangers of staying with only explicit orders without realizing its limitation. But I can't imagine life without explicit orders. Thinking about it is very unsettling.<br /><br />Another question is about implicit order contains the information that unfolds in the explicit order. It would be great to know about implicit order, but what we know in explicit order is very valuable as well. Isn't it?<br /><br />Regards,<br />MalpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9003076573972458673.post-36856511499687780242017-04-12T17:55:57.949+05:302017-04-12T17:55:57.949+05:30What is the relationship between implicit and expl...What is the relationship between implicit and explicit order?<br /><br />The relationship between implicit and explicit order is that of unfolding and enfolding. To understand this better, the best place to start is the ink droplet experiment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpJ-kGII074 <br /><br />After 4 clockwise rotations of the outer jar, the ink droplet (explicit order) gets mixed in the glycerine. We can say that the droplets are enfolded in the glycerine and represent implicit order. After 4 anti-clockwise rotations of the jar, the droplets are back in their original position. Implicit order unfolded into explicit order.<br /><br />So we can say that:<br /><br />1. Implicit order contains the information that unfolds into explicit order<br /><br />The information about the kind of a tree a seed is going to turn into is embedded in each cell of the seed. It is like a program that knows when to start growing which type of cells and when to stop it etc. The program also knows how to nourish each cell and how to get oxygen through photosynthesis. <br /><br />In human thinking process, implicit order is contained in the perceived meaning in each moment. If the meaning is that of threat, say somebody is hiding behind the door, then the meaning unfolds into a set of neurons firing that would increase the heartbeat, secrete certain hormones, increase tension in the muscles etc. The meaning is the implicit order and the firing of neurons leading to action is the explicit order. <br /><br />2. Explicit order enfolds the information back into the implicit order<br /><br />Tree bears fruits and fruits contain the seed where the information about the tree gets enfolded back into the seed. <br /><br />Storage of long term memory involves protein synthesis. Also long term memory is stored throughout the brain and not localized in one part. Emotional content is also stored in the long term memory. This is an example of how thoughts and emotions (explicit order) enfolds into chemicals (implicit order). This is similar to the ink drops when they are distributed after the 4 clockwise rotations.Vinay Dabholkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02007011866370283276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9003076573972458673.post-26130244892722915482017-04-11T15:27:58.815+05:302017-04-11T15:27:58.815+05:30Dear Vinay,What I understand from your article tha...Dear Vinay,What I understand from your article that explicate order is determined by perception of senses and therefore that knowledge from that observation is incomplete whereas implicate order<br />is unknowable to the senses and hidden in the process of nature and therefore fundamental. I have not followed what is relationship between explicate and implicate order. pl.clarify. Baba.<br />P V Dabholkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07405412713431081860noreply@blogger.com